Well the env phones are ok phones. but personal i do not like the little screen in the front. if i had the phone i would never use the front to do anything accept dial a number. Those are like the only phones that flip open to a QWERTY keyboard in less you want a touch screen phone. I have the new Motorola Rival and i love it! it is a slider phone that you said you didn't like that much, but i think it is an awesome phone. it has the QWERTY keyboard and is pretty easy to use, it has limited touch screen. i do recommend this phone and if you want more about this phone you can look at reviews on youtube or even on the verizon website. hope i helped.
            -tinkfreak